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Bryant Again · May 27, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

Nah that just sucks, they will optimize the "spamming" procedure in such a way that they dont get caught.

Then ANet could make it so the spamming filter could be hit more frequently. Keep in mind that I'm just thinking of alteratives. I'm fully in support of banning.

Generally, I think it's a silly question to ask. Of course they should ban people for it, no shit. There's no reason not to. They broke the rules, punishment insues.

However, it's the length of the ban that worries me. 3 hours, cool. 72??? No.

aaje vhanli · May 27, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I like Ogre-Mage's idea, it's pretty similar to my own. What I think would be pretty cool would be maybe whenever you hit the spam supression message that you're not allowed to speak for a few minutes. Hit it again, and the time of silence increases. Hit it once more, and you'll be silent for a while (say two hours).

That's not a bad idea, but it's far too lenient. First spam should be an hour or two, second spam should be 12 hours. Third strike should result in the ban.

I wish that banning wasn't required but Commander Ryker is right and spammers in the game have already proven that they aren't going to listen.

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"If you want to get someone's attention you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore, you have to hit them with a sledge hammer." -- John Doe Se7en

aaje vhanli · May 27, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

[Sorry... Double post.]

Angelica · May 27, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Clone

Absolutely not. While the spammers are certianly annoying, any and all resources Anet is spending on trying to police the all chat would be far better spent on DEVELOPING A WORKING AUCTION SYSTEM!!!!

So sorry to disappoint you, Even with an Auction House there will be spammers in the chat channel, I'm sure of it!

Yesterday I had to turn off the chat channel because I could not see my request for a group the chat was full of trades and stupid/offensive phrases in capital letters too, and it was fast and furious ..... disgusting!

If ArenaNet can or could do something about it

..... it will be so very welcome by me!

As a matter of facts at the present we have to suffer and go on with it!

/Angelica

isamu kurosawa · May 28, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Angelica

So sorry to disappoint you, Even with an Auction House there will be spammers in the chat channel

I always thought if an auction house was ever added we'd see

"WT S uber leet blah blah CHECK AUCTIONHOUSE!!!1!!won!!"

Edge Martinez · May 28, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

I think spamming should be banned. Have a counter on each character, so for the first offense, they get a low 24 hour ban. The ban registers, and the second offense is 48 hours. The third 72 hours, fourth 96 hours, etc.

tellute · May 28, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Yes

And no ban should ever be shorter than 72 hours. A couple of hours just isn't a deterrent.

Commander Ryker · May 28, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Angelica

So sorry to disappoint you, Even with an Auction House there will be spammers in the chat channel, I'm sure of it!

Agreed. I can see AH spam now, "check out my uber leet blah blah in the auction house" and so on and so on.

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Originally Posted by tellute

And no ban should ever be shorter than 72 hours. A couple of hours just isn't a deterrent.

Yeah, that should be the minimum.

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Originally Posted by aaje vhanli

I wish that banning wasn't required but Commander Ryker is right and spammers in the game have already proven that they aren't going to listen.

Thank you. From the looks of it, 218 others agree with me as well with only 70 disagreeing. Even with the banning, I'm sure there will be some who will try and get away with it.

If everyone started reporting every spammer we see, it might take a bite out of the amount who do. Make them think twice about it before they do it.

Ebony Shadowheart · May 28, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Spamming is against the user agreement. Plain and simple. Trade chat, all chat, doesn't matter. It's in the user agreement - no spamming. Something needs to be done. If you don't want to get temp banned, don't do it. It's really not a hard concept.

Some of you may feel that we need an auction house and thought it may be nice it's not necessary. If trade chat was used properly, combined with the quick search on the party search panel and auctions thru guru there wouldn't be that big an issue. Selling requires patience and time, whether ur selling items in a game or putting on a garage sell in real life. That's just how it is.

Edge Martinez · May 28, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Why don't we use the /bug command? Obviously we can't use it to moan about spammers, but we can comply with the guidelines if we typed something like:

/bug The spam filter is not working. (Name) was able to type (Selling, WTS, WTB) (1,2,3...) times in Public chat at (Location, district).

jim h · May 28, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

No, I disagree with the ban.

It seems to me that a major reason people want spamming in chat to be banned is because they feel spamming is annoying and ruins gameplay. Why I feel that spamming is annoying, I also feel that there is little choice in the matter. The current trade system is very clogged with constant messages and often times spamming your sales is needed to even bring that sale to potential buyers' attention. I guess what I am saying here is that the trade system is bad because spam is needed to actually sell something, and sellers who spam have an advantage over sellers that do not spam. Instead of finding an easy solution to the problem (banning), I feel anet should work on improving the trade system.

And yes, I know that people will disagree with me over my statement that spam is needed to sell something. However, the party search system is rather flawed and many people do not bother checking it at all. Stating your sale once as opposed to spamming it works in a small enviroment, but when there are many people with sales spam becomes necessary to actually get that message to everyone's attention. Spamming on All chat as opposed to Trade chat is simply another form of getting that attention. Is it bad? Of course. But people still do it, because right now it is the most efficent way of selling an item, because selling your item through partysearch or guilds/alliances simply takes too long.

As for the possibilities that auction houses will simply cause spammers to spam their AH sales, I feel will not happen. Nobody really likes standing in Kamadan dis 1 or Lion's Arch dis 1 spamming their sales unless they are a bot (but banning those is another matter). However, as stated before, it is the single most efficent way to sell your items, and spamming in a city is perferable to waiting days for something to sell on partysearch/other forms of trading. However, I do believe the AH will stop spamming, because it will provide a more efficent way of trading and free up potential spammer's time to play the game instead of spam. I know I would much rather put an item down in AH and then leave, and I will not spam that sale because I do not need to spam it.

In addition, the AH will free up the market from cities and outposts. Sure, people might get tempted to spam the sale in AH, but the whole point of spamming is to get your message across to the buyers. If the buyers move to designated locations (AHs) then spamming in cities and outposts would no longer be an efficent way of selling because there would be no buyers there. There will still be spammers, there always will be, but at least the amount of them should be reduced bu the AH as opposed to by more...drastic (and in my opinion, unfair) means such as banning.

To sum it up, I guess the current issue with spamming is that non-spammers want to play the game in peace while spammers want to sell their items ASAP and spamming is the issue that causes the conflict between the 2. As stated before, I feel it is simply unfair to take the easy solution and ban spammers for a system that almost forces them to spam in order to sell an item.

Commander Ryker · May 29, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

Why don't we use the /bug command? Obviously we can't use it to moan about spammers, but we can comply with the guidelines if we typed something like:

/bug The spam filter is not working. (Name) was able to type (Selling, WTS, WTB) (1,2,3...) times in Public chat at (Location, district).

/bug doesn't work anymore.

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Originally Posted by jim h

It seems to me that a major reason people want spamming in chat to be banned is because they feel spamming is annoying and ruins gameplay. Why I feel that spamming is annoying, I also feel that there is little choice in the matter. The current trade system is very clogged with constant messages and often times spamming your sales is needed to even bring that sale to potential buyers' attention. I guess what I am saying here is that the trade system is bad because spam is needed to actually sell something, and sellers who spam have an advantage over sellers that do not spam. Instead of finding an easy solution to the problem (banning), I feel anet should work on improving the trade system.

Your reasoning is flawed. You say you must spam in order to be seen, because everyone else is spamming. But, if no one spammed and if they used the party window, there would be no need for spamming.

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Originally Posted by jim h

And yes, I know that people will disagree with me over my statement that spam is needed to sell something. However, the party search system is rather flawed and many people do not bother checking it at all. Stating your sale once as opposed to spamming it works in a small enviroment, but when there are many people with sales spam becomes necessary to actually get that message to everyone's attention. Spamming on All chat as opposed to Trade chat is simply another form of getting that attention. Is it bad? Of course. But people still do it, because right now it is the most efficent way of selling an item, because selling your item through partysearch or guilds/alliances simply takes too long. However, as stated before, it is the single most efficent way to sell your items, and spamming in a city is perferable to waiting days for something to sell on partysearch/other forms of trading.

Yes, the character limit in the party window is flawed but the good thing about it is it can be seen in all districts. It doesn't work now, because no one is using it. If more people used it, more people would look there. It is much easier to find what you want there, rather then trying to read the constantly scrolling trade chat. You don't know how long it will take until you try it.

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Originally Posted by jim h

As stated before, I feel it is simply unfair to take the easy solution and ban spammers for a system that almost forces them to spam in order to sell an item.

Banning is the only thing they will understand.

fenix · May 29, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

If the ban is short, not 72 hours, it'd be ok. As long as they ban the right people...